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Okay, so when did "oceanic feeling" become a catchphrase for spirituality?

Date: 2008-05-20 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com
Hmn, I think I missed that memo. Not that an oceanic feeling can't be a spiritual feeling, of course.

Date: 2008-05-20 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Further googling reveals that it was a phrase that Freud picked up from a friend named Romain Rolland, and is an attempt to describe the subjective sensation of connection to the universe and of limitlessness that Rolland felt was at the base of religious beliefs.

Date: 2008-05-21 03:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] damienw
interesting!

Date: 2008-05-21 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com
Oh, okay. I've felt that. My personal epithet for that is that I've sensed the Beyond but not the Above.

Date: 2008-05-20 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] replyhazy.livejournal.com
March 23, 2008, 2:41 P.M.

Date: 2008-05-20 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Relatively recently!

Date: 2008-05-20 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orangemike.livejournal.com
"Oceanic Feeling" sounds like the name of about half the New Age "music" I've heard.

Date: 2008-05-20 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
"Music of the womb."

Feelin' Oceanic

Date: 2008-05-21 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] don-fitch.livejournal.com
I think I hope we discover, through your efforts, when it became a "catchphrase" -- I'm pretty sure I've never ever come across it before now.

Re: Feelin' Oceanic

Date: 2008-05-21 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
It seemed familiar to me, but I wasn't sure why. Perhaps I was soaking in it.

Date: 2008-05-21 03:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] damienw
Well, before 1998: cf Greg Egan, "Oceanic", Asimov's. Online at http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/OCEANIC/Complete/Oceanic.html

Date: 2008-05-21 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Hmm! It also resonated with a somewhat incoherent column that David Brooks wrote for the NYTimes recently about neural Buddhism. Figures that Egan would have gotten there at some point.

Date: 2008-05-21 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyoutlaw.livejournal.com
I associate it with Freud, as someone else mentions above. The oceanic feeling of unboundedness that the fetus feels in the womn (I think that's what he's talking about.) It was in Civilization and Its Discontents, the only Freud I've actually read.

This is all Sigmund, not Lucien. ;>

I think the "oceanic feeling" was why I was such a pothead in my teens and 20s. Hah!

Date: 2008-05-21 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
I'm reminded of Eileen Gunn's quip that she remembers when transcendence was five bucks a hit.

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