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Nov. 15th, 2008 12:53 pm
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There's a Buddhist temple in our neighborhood called Nalanda West. I can't look at it without thinking delenda est, as in Carthago delenda est. Hm, I always thought it meant "Carthage has been destroyed," but Wikipedia tells me it actually means "Carthage must be destroyed." Even better! Because what I got to thinking as I passed by the temple today is whether something Zen might be gleaned from my free association. I always thought "delenda" must at root mean something like "deleted" or "erased" or "made void." I'm sure the conjugation is wrong, but could we imagine a Roman Buddhist temple named Ego Delenda Est?

Date: 2008-11-15 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com
Using my Latin qualifications (which I got from Google a minute ago), it's from the infinitive delere, "to destroy", and is someting called the Future Passive Periphrastic, which is used when you want to say "somebody ought to do something".

So delenda means "[ought] to be destroyed", propaganda means "to be spread around" (compare "propagate"), corrigenda means "to be corrected", and agenda means "to be acted on".

IJWTS "Future Passive Periphrastic" ought to be set to the tune of a certain Mary Poppins number, but Latin geeks have probably already done it.

Date: 2008-11-15 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Okay, now you've got that damn tune stuck in my head!

Date: 2008-11-15 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kate-schaefer.livejournal.com
I just love the future passive periphrastic. It's not as entertaining as the ablative absolute, but it's still a terrific verb tense.

My Latin qualifications come from hours and hours of classroom time With Valida Vilums more than thirty years ago, which means that everything I know in Latin is rusty and questionable, but Del has it right.

Date: 2008-11-15 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com
I'm glad you liked my Future Passive Periphrastic explicative notice.

Date: 2008-11-16 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyoutlaw.livejournal.com
Future Passive Periphrastic explicative notice

Even though it sounds a bit it really rips my bodice.


Sorry.

I call it "harmonepsy" when a word or phrase reminds you of a song.

Date: 2008-11-16 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyoutlaw.livejournal.com
I was just starting to see that connection as well -- between "future passive periphrastic" and the Mary Poppins tune. Yeah!

Date: 2008-11-16 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maryread.livejournal.com
I thot periphrastic was a kind of volcanic flow... at least it rhymes. Pyroclastic, periphrastic, let's call the whole thing off.

Date: 2008-11-16 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Another earworm!

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