Milk (2008)

Jan. 2nd, 2009 09:16 am
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Saw this biopic about Harvey Milk with Denys yesterday. A good way to start the new year. I'm not sure it's a great movie, but it's a great subject. Milk was the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in the US. The movie captures an important moment in the gay rights movement. It's a reminder how far we've come on that front, although it was also a reminder that the same arguments are being used now against marriage equality that were used against any civil rights for gays and lesbians thirty years ago.

Milk is a pretty generic biopic in a number of ways, but it does get into some areas that I don't remember being covered by the excellent 1984 documentary, The Times of Harvey Milk. It shows more of his personal life, including two of his boyfriends, both of whom suffered for his political career in different ways. It also shows more of his interactions and sparring with his eventual assassin, Dan White. (I totally did not recognize Josh Brolin in the part of White. I'd last seen him as the dogged Llewellyn in No Country for Old Men.)

It's probably inevitable when one sees a historical movie set in one's own lifetime to think about one's place in the story, however marginal. There's a scene in the movie where Milk tells all of his gay colleagues that it's time to come out. The only way to turn the tide of intolerance is to remind everyone that they know someone gay. This reminded me -- this morning, as I was thinking about the film -- of my own evolution. When Harvey Milk was murdered in November 1978, I had only just started to shed my own homophobia. I had met carl at the University of Oregon in September, and he came out to me pretty soon thereafter. The first conversation on the topic lasted for hours, as he argued me out of my ignorant positions. I was shaken to the core by this challenge to my beliefs. Several months later, in March 1979, he and I traveled to Seattle with another friend to go to Norwescon, and carl introduced me to Denys, for whom the term "out" was an understatement. Whatever shreds of homophobia I still clung to were soon blown away by the sheer force of his personality and example. The White Night Riots following Dan White's acquittal on charges of murder occurred on May 21, 1979. By then I knew enough to be appalled at the infamous Twinkie Defense.

Another interesting aspect of this to look back on was that earlier in 1978, before I graduated from high school, I had a long, heated argument about gay rights in the high school library with a classmate, Kevin T. I was not persuaded, and maybe the difference was that he did not make the argument, as carl and Denys did, that basically amounted to, "Look at me. Can you really continue to believe this nonsense in the face of knowing me?" Kevin didn't come out to me, so I don't know if he was gay or if he was just enlightened.

After all, there were many other straight people who had figured it out by 1978. After the movie, Denys said he thought it was interesting that they didn't show much of Mayor Moscone, who was killed by White just before Milk was. Denys said that Moscone was a straight man who had reached out to the gay community as he formed his political coalition. That's why Milk was credibly able to threaten Moscone that the gay community would not vote for him again if he reinstated Dan White after his resignation. It's a good scene in the movie, with the mayor teasing Milk that he's playing Boss Tweed. "A gay man with power," Milk says with a grin. "Now that's a scary thought."

Well, the film is very moving. Milk and his supporters and constituents made history. They stood up to the bigots and pushed back and expanded the realm of human rights. Milk payed the ultimate price for being the public face of the movement. This is a good movie for learning about this important moment in time, although I also recommend The Times of Harvey Milk, which will give you a better feeling for Milk's actual personal charisma and greatness. Sean Penn may be a great actor, but he's no Harvey Milk, who was a great man.

Date: 2009-01-02 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
That's an interesting story of yours. Strangely, I don't have one like it. I never met any "out" gays until I went to college in Berkeley - which I chose in part because I thought getting a wider experience of the world than the isolated suburbs provided would be good for me - and fell into local sf fandom which had plenty of them. "Oh," I thought, "gay people. How interesting." But they were just people like everybody else, no odder - or less odd - than everybody else, and I just left it at that.

Date: 2009-01-02 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Sounds like maybe you weren't very homophobic to begin with. One thing I forgot to mention is that I can no longer remember what arguments against homosexuality I offered to my classmate and to carl. Was it just rote stuff that I had absorbed from other people that really had no personal meaning to me? Or have I repressed my past bigotry because it's too embarrassing to remember?

Date: 2009-01-03 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Hm. I can remember the arguments I offered when I was anti-abortion. The better to refute them now, m'dear.

Date: 2009-01-02 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com
I liked Milk for its personal portrayals -- Penn does an awesome job as Milk, which will undoubtedly garner a wholly deserved Oscar nomination. Getting a chance to see personality sketches of other people in the movement pleased me too. So that's what Cleve Jones was like, for instance. Seeing the real-life Frank Robinson made me tear up a little every time he was on screen.

No arguments that The Times of Harvey Milk is a better film. It's incredible. I'm not sure it's still playing locally, but now you can see it on Hulu

Date: 2009-01-02 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Yes, Denys and I both spotted Frank Robinson too. It was great to see him get so much screen time, in fact, even though it was all in the background. Was he a speech writer for Milk?

Date: 2009-01-03 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com
Yes, that's what I've read. Notably, he wrote the "hope speech" that's referenced several places in the movie.

Date: 2009-01-02 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n6tqs.livejournal.com
I just wish the movie had made it out a month earlier, before the elections.

Date: 2009-01-02 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Very true. With the emphasis on the battle around Prop 6, it was almost eerie in its parallels. It could have had a huge impact on Prop 8.

Date: 2009-01-02 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farmgirl1146.livejournal.com
I vaguely remember a documentary many years ago about Milk. He was such an amazing man. Was that documentary The Times of Harvey Milk?

I like your exposition on shedding your homophobia. It fits well with your post on being closet heterosexual. Your personal story on the issue is one you should tell, because there is this pernicious myth surrounding having gay friends. All I can say from my pov is that having male friends has not made me male: I just have no desire for that.

Date: 2009-01-02 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
The documentary you saw is very likely The Times of Harvey Milk. It won an Oscar, as I recall.

I dunno. Perhaps people like me play a useful role in confusing the issue. I was at a party recently where I got groped by both a woman and a gay guy. The story of my life!

Date: 2009-01-03 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farmgirl1146.livejournal.com
Wait until you are at an age when no one gropes you, then you will look back on this as the best of times. :-)

Date: 2009-01-03 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Honestly, I should have been outraged, but I was actually kind of pleased. Pathetic, I know!

Date: 2009-01-02 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wrdnrd
It was really fascinating to read your review this morning because only about 30 minutes earlier my boss had been *raving* about how excellent "Milk" was. I don't always trust my boss's opinion, tho', when it comes to culture, because he and i are on opposing sides on certain lines. He's a little too sniffy about SF, tho' at least he's not nearly so bad as Virjean, whom i once saw, and i am not exaggerating, *recoil* from a book she'd been reaching toward w/ curiosity until i noted that it was SF.

Date: 2009-01-03 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-byers.livejournal.com
Milk is definitely well worth seeing. And the showing we went to at the Egyptian at one in the afternoon was nearly full. Obviously a lot of people thought it was a good way to spend New Year's Day.

I'm always puzzled by people who like mysteries but look down on SF, but maybe that's because I know so many SF readers who also love mysteries. But I try not to worry about people who look down on SF, because it really isn't my problem.

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